Proponents of "enhanced interrogation techniques" point to the case of
Khalid Sheikh Mohammed as evidence that the methods work. However, as
today's article by the Washington Post explores, the situation is more complicated than just that.
Yes, KSM was uncooperative and gave deliberately misleading information immediately after his capture. Yes, KSM appears to have become a powerful asset for the Intelligence Community after waterboarding and sensory deprivation. However, we must not make the mistake of assuming that correlation implies causation.
A more thorough look at what actually happened is required to reach any conclusions. First, we must acknowledge that it is impossible to know whether the less coercive methods advocated by interrogators like Ali Soufan, Col. Steven Kleinman, and Matthew Alexander would have given the same, or similar, results. They weren't used.
Second, we must consider that KSM himself told the Red Cross that he deliberately gave up false or misleading information during the application of EIT to get it to stop.
Third, the now-former CIA Inspector General's report itself says that no conclusions can be drawn about the effectiveness of particular methods.
Fourth, we have to consider that KSM's own megalomania drove his cooperation more so than the actual methods applied. The Post article reports that a former US official familiar with the interrogations suggests the methods applied gave KSM an excuse to say that he was tortured into compliance.
KSM wanted to show us how smart he was and how stupid we were. He lectured at agents who didn't remember earlier details he offered or who took poor notes. He spoke at length about philosophy and politics.
Even former NSA and CIA director General Michael Hayden now says that the interrogation of KSM did not uncover any imminent plots, but that KSM provided strategic-level intelligence on al-Qaeda and its thinking.
All of this suggests to me that the "enhanced interrogation techniques" and explicit torture really have no business in our interrogation 'toolkit.'
We can and should do better than that.
Yes, KSM was uncooperative and gave deliberately misleading information immediately after his capture. Yes, KSM appears to have become a powerful asset for the Intelligence Community after waterboarding and sensory deprivation. However, we must not make the mistake of assuming that correlation implies causation.
A more thorough look at what actually happened is required to reach any conclusions. First, we must acknowledge that it is impossible to know whether the less coercive methods advocated by interrogators like Ali Soufan, Col. Steven Kleinman, and Matthew Alexander would have given the same, or similar, results. They weren't used.
Second, we must consider that KSM himself told the Red Cross that he deliberately gave up false or misleading information during the application of EIT to get it to stop.
"During the harshest period of my interrogation I gave a lot of false information in order to satisfy what I believed the interrogators wished to hear in order to make the ill-treatment stop. I later told interrogators that their methods were stupid and counterproductive. I'm sure that the false information I was forced to invent in order to make the ill-treatment stop wasted a lot of their time," he said.In other words, even during the application of EIT, he was still messing with us.
Third, the now-former CIA Inspector General's report itself says that no conclusions can be drawn about the effectiveness of particular methods.
"Certain of the techniques seemed to have little effect, whereas waterboarding and sleep deprivation were the two most powerful techniques and elicited a lot of information," he said in an interview. "But we didn't have the time or resources to do a careful, systematic analysis of the use of particular techniques with particular individuals and independently confirm the quality of the information that came out."So, we really don't know yet how much of what KSM gave us was good, how much was misinformation, or how to tell the difference.
Fourth, we have to consider that KSM's own megalomania drove his cooperation more so than the actual methods applied. The Post article reports that a former US official familiar with the interrogations suggests the methods applied gave KSM an excuse to say that he was tortured into compliance.
KSM wanted to show us how smart he was and how stupid we were. He lectured at agents who didn't remember earlier details he offered or who took poor notes. He spoke at length about philosophy and politics.
Even former NSA and CIA director General Michael Hayden now says that the interrogation of KSM did not uncover any imminent plots, but that KSM provided strategic-level intelligence on al-Qaeda and its thinking.
All of this suggests to me that the "enhanced interrogation techniques" and explicit torture really have no business in our interrogation 'toolkit.'
- They did not stop any imminent attacks.
- The information gained during their application was of no proven value.
- The information available from the IG report suggests that KSM was really just playing us until the methods stopped.
We can and should do better than that.







"Do you begin to see, then, what kind of world we are creating? It is the exact opposite of the stupid hedonistic Utopias that the old reformers imagined. A world of fear and treachery and torment, a world of trampling and being trampled upon, a world which will grow not less but more merciless as it refines itself. Progress in our world will be progress toward more pain."
1984 - Orwell (neo-con guidebook)
I remember American hostages years ago on videotapes renouncing the United States. Did any of us think those words were actually theirs?
People will say anything with a gun to their head.
We certainly were, at one time. I hope we return to that policy.